Question:

Salaam alaikum,

The very enlightening article on defending Hazrat Abu Huraira from Tijani's lies (the english article) quotes the following from a shia source:

"Abu Al-Hasan Al-Ardabili narrated in his book “Kashf Al-Ghimmah” that Sa’eed bin Marjanah says: “Once I was with Ali bin Al-Hussein and I said: “I heard Abu Hurayrah saying: “The Messenger of Allah said that whoever frees a believer Allah will free part by part of him from the Hellfire. Even Allah would free a hand by a hand, a leg by a leg, and hole by hole” Ali alayhi al-salam said: “You heard that from Abu Hurayrah?” Sa’eed answered by a yes. Ali bin Al-Hussein said to his slave: “To my most intelligent slave boy -Abdullah bin Jaffar proposed to buy this slave by one thousand Dinar, but Ali bin Al-Hussein refused – you are free for the sake of Allah.”

How authentic is this narration according to the shia scholars i.e. is it sahih, da'eef, etc?


 

Answer:

The science of hadeeth is invented lately in Shiasim, about the 8 century after hijrah.

Ibn Tawoos and his student Ibn Al-Mutahir Al-Hilli invented the Shia science of hadeeth

Al-Karaki Al-A'amili, a grand Shia scholar, admitted that the science of hadeeth in Shia had been adopted from Ahl Al-Sunnah, more specifically from Shafe'si books.

Al-Shaheed Al-Awal was a pupil for Shafi'ei scholars.

Then he took the science of hadeeth that he found in Shafi'ei jurisprudence and put it in Shiasim, and of course, changing what is necessary to make it compatible with his sect

The science of hadeeth fpor the shia is just like an ink on a piece of paper.

If science of hadeeth is truly applied to Shiasim, then the whole sect would collapse.

The real reason that lead shia scholars to make up the science of hadeeth within Shiasim was to refute the arguments of ahl Al-Sunnah when Ahl Al-Sunnah charge the Shias that their haddeths are mostly lies.

Question:

I understand what you wrote in the first part of this thread. What I meant was if it is possible to ascertain whether the narrators in this particular report (see first part) are generally accepted as being reliable by the shia. For example, in your article on Fadak and the marriage of Umar (RA) to Umm Khultum, you proved that the shia traditions that you quoted are reliable by citing what the shia scholars have said about these narrators of these hadeeth.
This way, if one shows a shia follower the hadith you quoted in the article defending Abu Huraira (RA), he/she may discard it and say it is weak/forged. That is why I need to know its authenticity as regarded by shia (however ridiculous their hadith verification science is, as we know).

Jazakhallah.

Wasalaam.

 

Answer:

Al salam alaykum wa rahmat Allah wa barakatuh,

We thought that our previous answer would suffice. We intended to say earlier that Shia’s science of hadeeth is not supported by strong fundamentals. The process of writing down the hadeeths, and the methods to distinguish the liars from the true tellers were not on a clear course or identity until the times of Ibn Tawoos and Al-Hilli in the 8th century after the Hijra.

Therefore, we notice lots of Shia scholars weaken a hadeeth or another because that particular hadeeth contradicts their faith not because there is a liar in the chain of that hadeeth.

However, we do not deny that Shia scholars from time to time weaken particular hadeeths due to the existence of liars in the chain of the hadeeths. Nevertheless, we say that their course does not help them much because the science of scrutiny and correction (‘Alm Al-Jarh wa Al-Ta’deel) was developed late for them. Moreover, their own Shia scholars call lots of Shia narrators liars due to the fact that many of these twelver Shia narrators converted into many other forms of Shiasim. The twelver Shia consider any sects of Shiasim as deviant save for their own sect. The Shia’s history testifies that many narrators and companions of the Imams bewildered upon the identity of the next Imam after the demise of the last known Imam. Lots of them followed Abdullah bin Al-Aftah or Isma’eel bin Jaffar.. etc. Hence, liars increased, and truth weakened.

In conclusion, if you brought up any Shia hadeeth, you can make it authentic or not. For the same narrator, some scholar say he is trustworthy, and others say he is a liar.

Hence, even if you provided a complete authentic Shia narration, it is very vulnerable to be weakened.

wa al salam